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    • 10/01/2022
    • 9:30 AM - 3:00 PM
    • East of Payson (Trip Details Emailed After Registration)
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    MSA FIELD TRIP INFORMATION

    DIAMOND POINT QUARTZ

    MSA MEMBERS ONLY

    MEET TIME: 9:30 AM outside Payson (meeting location will be sent after registration)

    END TIME: The trip will end by 3PM or whenever you want to depart.

    LIMITED TRIP: No Limit

    TRAVEL NOTE: Please allow at least 1/2 hour more time than normal to get to the meeting spot. The delays may not be noted on the state of Arizona highway condition website.

    VEHICLE: Almost any vehicle can make this trip.

    TRIP DEMAND LEVEL: Easy to Moderate 

    SAFETY:  Arrive with full tank of Gas and Good Tires.  Safety Glasses, Gloves, and Personal PPE.  Please bring a whistle in case we need to find you or gather up the participants.

    LIST OF TOOLS NEEDED: Rake, Small Shovel, Sifter, Rock Hammer, Large Shovel, Sledge Hammer.

    RECOMMENDED: Sunscreen, Hat, Water, Lunch, Bug Spray, Bucket, First Aid Kit, Sturdy shoes or boots, and normal day hiking items.

    MATERIAL: Quartz like Herkimer Diamonds from New York

    TRIP LEADER: Chris Whitney-Smith

    RSVP REQUIRED by Thursday @ 6 PM - MSA Members Only

    CANCELLATION: Trip Leader can cancel the field trip due to low participation (under 5 members RSVP) or weather or road conditions.  


    These are the sort of crystals we will hopefully find.  The biggest (in the back) is about two inches long.  The have nice sharp crystal faces are are all nearly complete and doubly terminated.  Most of the imperfections on these crystals are contact points.  Places the crystal grew -in contact - with the pocket or other crystals.  You will find lots of broken crystals and fragments, but this is what you strive to find.

    This is a close up view of a rhombohedral (pyramidal) faces.  These are little bumps called growth hillocks.  They are fairly common on quartz crystals and especially those from Diamond Point.  They are best seen when light is reflected from the rhombohedral faces.  Here is a link to some more information on quartz crystal faces.     http://www.quartzpage.de/crs_forms.html

    Amethyst crystals have also been found at Diamond Point.  Although not common, they are always a welcome find.  This picture also shows where the crystals were originally found, i.e., in pockets within the limestone.  Just by wandering around the forest you may find a few crystal loose at the surface.  These crystals were formed in the pockets, but being more durable than the limestone and calcite (also found in the pockets) they survive weathering and erosion to accumulate at the surface.  Obviously, there were more common years ago, but by careful searching, the collector will be able to find some.

    This is a clear quartz crystal in a pocket with calcite crystals.  Normally it is better to collect "matrix" specimens, although the matrix (limestone) in this sample is just a little too big.  This one was obtained by breaking a limestone boulder.  (Bring a big hammer.)

    Keep your eyes open for these little critters.  This is the GREATER SHORT-HORNED LIZARD - Phrynosoma (Tapaja) hernandesi.  They are harmless and interesting to look at and photograph.  This one looks a little irritated with me.  (I think they always look a little bit miffed.)


    • 11/01/2022
    • Arizona

    TENTATIVE FIELD TRIPS - The specific dates are not yet available.

    • 12/03/2022
    • 8:30 AM
    • 12/04/2022
    • 5:00 PM
    • Meet Up Location @ Registration
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    MSA FIELD TRIP INFORMATION

    RED CLOUD, NORTH & SOUTH GERONIMO MINES


    MEET TIME: 8:45 AM, Saturday, December 3, 2022 (meeting location and trip details will be sent via email after registration)

    END TIME:  Day trip or overnight based on attendee desires.

    TRIP DETAIL:  Trip is planned as an overnight trip starting early on Saturday, Dec 3rd to Sunday, Dec 4th.  It is up to you if you want to stay overnight Saturday.  

    LIMITED TRIP: No Limit 

    FEE's:  See Collecting Fee's Below.  

    TRAVEL NOTE: Please allow at least 1/2 hour more time than normal to get to the meeting spot. The delays were not noted on the state of Arizona highway condition website.

    VEHICLE: Higher Clearance vehicles required.  2WD okay and 4WD recommended.

    SAFETY:  *** No Carpooling being arranged ***  

    RECOMMENDED:  

    • Red Cloud Mine (Surface): rock hammer, chisels, 3-5 lb sledgehammer, hard hat, safety glasses, gloves, long pants, long sleeve shirts, collecting container/bucket.  Sturdy shoes or boots and normal day hiking items.  Sunscreen, hat, extra water. 
    • Fluorescent Hunting: portable UV lamps or lights at All Mines
    • South Geronimo Mine (Surface): rock hammer, chisels, 3-5 lb sledgehammer, hard hat, safety glasses, gloves, long pants, long sleeve shirts, collecting container/bucket.  Sturdy shoes or boots and normal day hiking items.  Sunscreen, hat, extra water. 
    • North Geronimo Mine (UNDERGROUND): (limit number of collectors and physical condition): headlamp attached to hard hat.  (Charged up batteries for headlamp). Rock hammer, chisels, safety glasses, gloves, long pants, long sleeve shirts, collecting backpack or container/bucket, sturdy shoes or boots.

    MATERIAL: Wulfenite, Fluorescents, Vanadinite, Fluorite, Calcite 

    TRIP LEADER: Chris Whitney-Smith (MSA)

    RSVP REQUIRED: ASAP NOW BY AUGUST 26, 2022 due to Special Events with "The Crystal Collector" in December.  MSA needs to get RSVP headcount in August to secure SPOTS at Each Mine.


    Red Cloud Mine 2020, Steve Kaminski photo.

    Wulfenite, Red Cloud Mine, Chris Whitney-Smith photo.

    MSA at Red Cloud Mine 2020, Chris Whitney-Smith photo.


    Our first trip in December is to the world-famous Red Cloud Mine for Wulfenite and fluorescents and North & South Geronimo Mines, just north of Yuma.  This is planed as an overnight trip starting early on Saturday through Sunday.  It is up to you if you want to stay overnight Saturday.  It is about a 3-hour trip from Phoenix to the meeting spot and another hour-half to the mine.  You have the option of staying at a hotel in Yuma on Friday and then it is only a 45-minute drive to the meeting spot on Saturday morning.  

    Here are the important points to be aware of:

    1. Meet-Up ONLY on Saturday, December 3rd between 8:30-9:00 AM and Depart for Mine at 9:00 AM SHARP. 

    Meet Up Location: (meeting location and trip details will be sent via email after registration)

    2. The cellular coverage is spotty at best and non-existent in some locations, so do not rely on that for communication.  Quartzsite and Yuma are good, but between that is a crap shoot.

    3. This is intended as an overnight trip for those who desire, with tent camping at the mine site (an RV doesn't' have a prayer getting there and back). You're free to head home or to a hotel (nearest is in Yuma) after collecting, but it is highly advised that you plan to be at least back to Martinez Lake by dusk. You can also make it a long one day there and back trip or book a motel room in Quartzsite or Yuma.  Entirely up to you but some of us will be camping for at least one night. 

    For those who camp overnight Saturday, plan is for late afternoon gathering for dinner and hang out by fire bowl.  Bring your grub, drink, and chairs…maybe warm clothes.

    If you stay the night or until after dark, Red Cloud is an excellent night collecting spot for fluorescent minerals so bring your portable UV lights.

    4. From the meet up spot to the mine is another 16 miles and takes a full hour and a half (or more). The last 14 miles are off-road with both rocky and sandy areas. 
    High Clearance is REQUIRED.  2WD okay, but 4WD recommended. Do not even think about trying to take an RV or trailer from the lake to the mine. As someone from another club found out the hard way as you will get stuck. 

    5. Ride sharing is not being coordinated for this trip.

    6. Red Cloud is open to the public, so this trip is not limited to just dues-paying members. Feel free to invite rockhounding friends.  

    7. Red Cloud is also private property, not just a claim on federal land, so behave and follow any rules or instructions the mine manager tells you.  GOLDEN RULES apply.

    8. See below for fee info including the extra fee (and gear required) to collect at the North Geronimo. Cash only and bring extra cash. Roger will likely have specimens from both mines for sale, at discounted prices, which are better quality than you're likely to find.

    9. Please RSVP to me ASAP BY AUGUST 26, 2022 with how many people in your group if you're planning to meet at the meetup spot on Saturday, December 3rd so we know to expect you and include your cell number and vehicle description.    

    As always, text or email if you have any questions. Chris Whitney-Smith at 602-405-1502 or ask.chrisws@yahoo.com

    RECOMMENDED: 

    • Red Cloud Mine (Surface): rock hammer, chisels, 3-5 lb sledgehammer, hard hat, safety glasses, gloves, long pants, long sleeve shirts, collecting container/bucket.  Sturdy shoes or boots and normal day hiking items.  Sunscreen, hat, extra water. 
    • Fluorescent Hunting: portable UV lamps or lights. 
    • South Geronimo Mine (Surface): rock hammer, chisels, 3-5 lb sledgehammer, hard hat, safety glasses, gloves, long pants, long sleeve shirts, collecting container/bucket.  Sturdy shoes or boots and normal day hiking items.  Sunscreen, hat, extra water. 
    • North Geronimo Mine (UNDERGROUND): (limit number of collectors and physical condition): headlamp attached to hard hat.  (Charged up batteries for headlamp). Rock hammer, chisels, safety glasses, gloves, long pants, long sleeve shirts, collecting backpack or container/bucket, sturdy shoes or boots.


    FEES & INFORMATION (CASH ONLY):

    RED CLOUD MINE (SURFACE): Collecting in the tailing piles and in the pit rubble: 

    - $35 per person per day (Wulfenite/Fluorescents). 

    - No bucket limit as long as it's reasonable and you keep what you find. 

    - Keep what you find.

    - There may be other fees for collecting in other areas.  Roger (the mine manager) is a great guy and will try to accommodate other requests.

    Bring Hard Hats if you have them. If not, he has some available. Hard hats will only be required at Red Cloud if you are digging on the shelves in the pit, or you at the bottom when people are digging on the shelves above you. Falling rock hazard if you haven't guessed.


    SOUTH GERONIMO MINE (SURFACE): Roughly a mile from Red Cloud, under the same ownership. Has Vanadinite, Wulfenite and fluorescent minerals.  

    - $60 per person per day (Vanadinite/Wulfenite/Fluorescents).

    All prices firm and may not be combined with Red Cloud fees.

    - Keep what you find.


    NORTH GERONIMO MINE (UNDERGROUND): (for a brief period known as the Pure Potential):  Roughly a mile from Red Cloud, under the same ownership. Very, very well known for exceptional Vanadinite. 

    - $100 per person per day (Vanadinite).

    - $50 per 5 gallon bucket (Fluorescent Material).

    - All prices firm and may not be combined with Red Cloud fees.

    - Approximately 5-10 people in the mine at the same time.

    - Must be 18+ Years for Underground at North Geronimo. 

    - Must be physically fit for Underground and Ladders.

    - Keep what you find.

    - Hard Hats with attached Headlamps Required.  Have extra charged up batteries for headlamps.

    North Geronimo is underground collecting only, there are no tailing piles. He considers it a very safe mine to be in, but hard hats with attached lights are absolutely, positively 100% required (charge up your light batteries).  Don't assume Roger has spare lights.  Hard hats and lights are cheap at Home Depot.

    The kicker: you must be physically fit The mine is not deep, but it is small and cramped compared to other underground mines. The opening is small, I'm guessing no more than 3 feet by 3 feet through the steel grate covering the shaft. The first ladders are vertical and drop for 20 feet to a platform, then there's another 40 feet of ladder down the incline shaft (approx. 30 degrees incline). Total depth is about 60 feet.  Roger recommends that gear be lowered and raised by rope down the first 20 feet. Vertical ladder climb up and out of North Geronimo can be strenuous.

    Roger will also have specimens available for sale from both mines, at wholesale prices so bring extra cash if you want to buy. Prices will range from $10 into the hundreds depending on what it is and the quality and size.

    Oh, and one last thing and it's important: Roger and the property owner are bringing in an excavator and plan to turn over the tailing piles and the crap in the pit before we get there. This will expose fresh material and is part of the reason the prices have increased.  Diesel for the excavator ain't' cheap.





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11/13/2021 Chilito Mine Field Trip
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09/25/2021 FIELD TRIP: Mingus Mountain Banded Iron Formation (Saturday, September 25, 2021)
09/16/2021 MSA Monthly (In-Person & Zoom) Meeting - September 16, 2021 - "Quartz – Another Mineral Arizona Should Be Famous For” Presented by Mr. Les Presmyk
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07/24/2021 MSA FIELD TRIP: BISBEE & TOMBSTONE MINE TOURS
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12/19/2020 MSA FIELD TRIP: RED CLOUD MINE (Overnight Trip)
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03/12/2020 MSA Monthly Meeting - March 2020 CANCELLED - NEW TBD
02/29/2020 Apache Junction - Jewelry, Gem & Rock Show
02/20/2020 MSA Monthly Meeting - February 2020
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